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Menachos - Daf 75
  • Machlokes if ื—ืœื•ืช ื‘ื•ืœืœืŸ or ืกื•ืœืช ื‘ื•ืœืœืŸ, and the procedure of the three oil applications

The Mishnah on the previous Daf taught that all menachos which are prepared in a ื›ืœื™ ืฉืจืช require three applications of oil: ื™ืฆื™ืงื” โ€“ pouring at the end, ื‘ืœื™ืœื” โ€“ mixing oil in, and placing oil into the ื›ืœื™ before the minchah is prepared. Regarding ื‘ืœื™ืœื”, Rebbe said ื—ืœื•ืช ื‘ื•ืœืœืŸ โ€“ he mixes the oil in after they were already made into loaves. But the Chochomim say it is mixed in while the minchah is still ืกื•ืœืช โ€“ flour. They darshen: "ืกืœืช ื‘ืœื•ืœื”" โ€“ fine flour mixed with oil, ืžืœืžื“ ืฉื ื‘ืœืœืช ืกื•ืœืช โ€“ teaching that it is mixed with oil while it is flour. Thus, the full procedure is as follows: he puts some of the oil into the ื›ืœื™, then puts the flour in, and puts oil on it and mixes it. He then kneads it, bakes it, breaks it into pieces, puts the remaining oil in, and performs kemitzah. Rebbe says that the passuk "ื—ืœื•ืช...ื‘ืœื•ืœื•ืช ื‘ืฉืžืŸ" โ€“ loaves mixed with oil implies that the mixing takes place after the minchah is baked as loaves, and he details the full procedure, with the second application and mixing in of oil taking place after the minchah is baked and broken into pieces.

  • ืคืชื™ืชื” โ€“ breaking the minchah into pieces

The next Mishnah states that all menachos which are prepared in a ื›ืœื™ ืฉืจืช require ืคืชื™ืชื” โ€“ breaking into pieces. [This excludes ืฉืชื™ ื”ืœื—ื and ืœื—ื ื”ืคื ื™ื from ืคืชื™ืชื”.] The next Mishnah describes the ืคืชื™ืชื” of a Yisroelโ€™s minchah: ืงื•ืคืœ ืื—ื“ ืœืฉื ื™ื ื•ืฉื ื™ื ืœืืจื‘ืขื” ื•ืžื‘ื“ื™ืœ โ€“ he folds one loaf into two, the two pieces into four, and he separates the four pieces, to allow for kemitzah. A Kohenโ€™s minchah is also folded into quarters, ื•ืื™ื ื• ืžื‘ื“ื™ืœ โ€“ but he does not separate the pieces, since it does not require kemitzah. Regarding the minchah of the ื›ื”ืŸ ืžืฉื™ื— (i.e., the ื—ื‘ื™ืชื™ ื›ื”ืŸ ื’ื“ื•ืœ), ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžืงืคืœื” โ€“ he would not fold it. the Gemara will clarify that it was not folded into four, but was folded into two. Rebbe Shimon maintains that the menachos of Kohanim and the ื›ื”ืŸ ืžืฉื™ื—, which do not require kemitzah, also do not require ืคืชื™ืชื”.

A Baraisa explains that "ืคืชื•ืช" โ€“ break teaches to fold the minchah, and "ืคืชื™ื" โ€“ pieces teaches to fold it again into four. ื™ื›ื•ืœ ื™ืขืฉื ื” ืคื™ืจื•ืจื™ืŸ โ€“ One might think he should make it into crumbs, so the passuk says "ืื•ืชื”" โ€“ break it into pieces, teaching that only the minchah is broken into pieces, but the pieces are not further broken into smaller pieces.

  • If ื”ืžื•ืฆื™ื is said on bread smaller than a ื›ื–ื™ืช

Rav Yosef said: ื”ืื™ ื—ื‘ื™ืฆื ื“ืื™ืช ื‘ื” ืคื™ืจื•ืจื™ืŸ ื›ื–ื™ืช โ€“ this [cooked dish with pieces of bread] which has pieces of bread the size of an olive, one recites on it the berachah ื”ืžื•ืฆื™ื ืœื—ื ืžืŸ ื”ืืจืฅ, but if they are smaller than a ื›ื–ื™ืช, he recites ื‘ื•ืจื ืžื™ื ื™ ืžื–ื•ื ื•ืช. Rav Yosef supports this from a Baraisa which teaches that one who eats ืฉื™ืจื™ื of a minchah, which our Mishnah taught is broken into ื›ื–ื™ืชื™ื, recites ื”ืžื•ืฆื™ื. Abaye objects that according to Rebbe Yishmael, who holds a minchah is broken into pieces smaller than a ื›ื–ื™ืช, one would not say ื”ืžื•ืฆื™ื!? And if one would argue that this is indeed true, but a Baraisa teaches that if one gathers bits of bread into a total amount of a ื›ื–ื™ืช and ate it, then if it was ื—ืžืฅ on Pesach, he incurs ื›ืจืช, and if it was ืžืฆื”, he fulfills his obligation. This proves that these small pieces are significant and considered bread!? The Gemara eventually answers that the case is ื‘ื‘ื ืžืœื—ื ื’ื“ื•ืœ โ€“ where the pieces come from a large bread, which lends significance to its smaller pieces. Rav Sheishess rules that one recites ื”ืžื•ืฆื™ื even on pieces of bread smaller that a ื›ื–ื™ืช. Rava adds that this is only where ืชื•ืจื™ืชื ื“ื ื”ืžื โ€“ the appearance of bread is still upon them.

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